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right, have this problem, i'm writing my kik, snr, ghosts (ect) in fruity and importing them into cubase sx on seperate channels. i have no problem getting the break sounding snappy and tight its just when i add the melody and the bass they seem to be drowning out the punch of the break, i seem do lose the depth of the snr and the kik drum, i've been so frustrated as the tunes themselves have alot of potential, i think. i dont know if i'm putting on too much/too little compression or whether its dodgy EQing or both. I'm desperately trying to achieve that sound where you can hear every part of the tune clearly. if anyone can see where i'm going wrong here could you point me in the right direction, got so many ideas just need to be able to see them through. by the way, i'm using monitor speakers, dont know if that makes any difference. peace out. Dj Quash
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I guess EQ will be the main part of your problem. Try to Eq in such a way that every sound has its own place in the frequency spectrum, without leaving any gaps. There are other threads here with more info on how to EQ.

What is it exactly that you are doing? Have you made a track in fruity and are you trying to add the finishing touches using cubase? Or are you using fruity as a drum sequencer plugin, and doing all the other stuff such as melodies etc in cubase?

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basically i'm writing my kik, snr hats and ghosts in fruity and exporting them seperately then putting them into cubase. fruity is basically what i use to write my patterns, be it drums, melodies and bass. i use cubase to add effects, compression and such like. when you say everything has its own place on the spectrum with no gaps do you mean i have to squeeze all my channels into the spectrum tight up against each other making sure that they dont overlap. forgive my stupidity if i sound like a dumbass.
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With gaps I meant "empty" spaces in between. You can have overlaps, but be carefull with them.

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If your bassline and kick have the same frequency, your kick will sound too weak when they are both playing at the same time. In most cases the bassline will have a wider spectrum than the kick, with a part under it and a part above it. The key here is to make a notch in the bassline on the frequncy of the kick. Either by using a parametric eq or a notch filter on the bassline.

This doesn't mean you have to turn your bassline all the down, because that won't sound too good either. Just make it quiet enough to let your kick be loud and clear above it. (Can't tell you exact numbers, but I guess something like 4-6 dB will be more than enough. Use your ears to know what is good and what is too much)

Things are pretty much similar for your other sounds.

I can understand you use fruity for the drums if you don't have a prog like kontakt or Halion, but why don't you use the cubase sequencer for your melodies and basslines? Or add your effects in fruity?

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so on the kick channel i click the (e) tab to bringup the e.q and effects window. this is where i eq. i've got my bass sounding good, when e.qing my kik drum how do i see exactly what frequencies my bass is using up, so as to not leave any gaps, is the only option to check back on the bass channel.
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Put a notch filter with a small band and sharp curve on the kick. Sweep through the lower end of the spectrum slowly to find the place where you hear as little kick as possible. Broaden the band a bit if necesarry.

Now apply the notch filter with those settings on the Bass channel. Remove it from the kick channel. That way you will silence your Bass where the kick is, and make the kick stand out more.

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