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I have heard several times that it is possible to mix house and trance with DnB.
Yet the stories are always third person. like ... I heard about this dj who... or I my roomate knew
a dj that could....
Is this actually possible? The closest I've come to any "theory" on the subject was " take a 140bpm track and mix it so that it runs in 1/3 time of 180bpm DnB track." I've tried to jumpstart the kick and snare of the 140 at different points in Dnb breakbeats but no luck so far.
If anyone has any info I would really appreciate it 'cause my brain won't let me sleep until it knows!
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I would like to hear how, coz I don't think it's possible doing it in a 'normal' way.

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I can mix gabber/hardcore & dnb together & I have a friend who mixes a lot electro & techno together but those aren't too bad coz you can get the tempos roughly the same without either style sounding too bad. As for trance into dnb - it must be possible but a) im not quite sure how it would sound and b) its probably pretty damn tricky. I have both trance &n dnb on vinyl so ill give it a go later & let you know the results!

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dem skillz trickz??
scrathin', reeeeeeeeeeeewwwiiiiiinds, beatjuglin???

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i actually was experimenting with mixing house to trance to hard house to happy hardcore to drum and bass. if you do it this way then you don't have to pitch the song too much. this is the only way that i know how to do it. it is really difficult though. i have never tried this out at a club yet.

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And how about puttin a reggae song at exactly half the tempo of the dnb song u mix it in..

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i hear that done all the time...it is really good to use old school DNB with reggae or dancehall.

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I've done the house-breaks-trance-hardcore-DnB mix, but I'm talkin' striaght beatmathing trance and/or house with DnB. Without scratching or fx or mixing ambient breakdowns.

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Oh, and the 1st post should have said 3/4 time not 1/3. (sorry)
Do you guys think the "Myth Busters" would pick up this case for thier show?

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I would like to hear how, coz I don't think it's possible doing it in a 'normal' way.


So would I But like I said, the stories never come from someone who can actually do this and sound "proper".
I can kind of understand the "theory" of taking a 140 and riding it under a 180 so that it has a 3/4 feel but it sounds like crap (so far as my experience has shown)

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Ive mixed trance with drum n bass before, it blends ok but you find yourself pitchin the fuck out of the tracks, i cant say its a recommended way of mixing though as youve got the trance going KICK KICK KICK KICK
and the d&b going: KICK snare...kick snare.......and thats what makes it dnb, us producers only use the KICK KICK KICK sequence when were buildin up. USUALLY anyway

but yes im babbling now, its possible!

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take "Eurythmics - Sweet dreams", play @45 rmp instead of 33.
Mix (double drop with) into Noisia - Dead Air Big Grin

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hehe well i do mix some veeery diff tempo's at the youthcafe (rock , pop , slaghers/shlagers Confused , elektro , dnb , everything i can find in that box from there)

and i do it:

mashup: pitching the stupid track , eq

mixing:
-rough: rough yes , twizzle the knobs , if its not of any importance Tongue
-smooth: pitching equal , then fast to normal tempo (mixing-in track)
-between: just in the breakdowns , equing

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Alright, I think its fare (for me) to say that this myth is busted!
Because unless (greyone) you mean smooth as in "blending" somethin' like a house and a dnb
rec. and really pulling it off, it just doesn't seem possible.
I mean I must have heard it well over ten times the 8-9 years. "oh yeah man, this dj I know , he can mix anything straight outta this and right into that and make it sound good." And to this my
my questions are always the same. "Are you sure he's holding the mix?" " Is it the ambient parts that are being mixed?" etc etc.. And these people go on and act like this person they know (or of)
could blend animal DNA with plant DNA. And if it wasn't a dj telling me this I'd think politely to myself. " you're not a dj, you don't know the mechanics of it , and there are 50 different things that I could visually do to make you think that I was doing something when I'm really not doing shit.
( I'm sure we've all seen those knob tweaking David Copperfields)
But as time went on I heard the same thing from different djs here and there when the subject was brought up in conversation. Yet to this day I have not met any of these mixing wizards , seen it done, or been told a method for doing it.
A mathmatical method like...
"if you've got a track at 126 bpm in this key and one at 175 in that key and you set the pitches at
[blank] and [blank] and you start the one record on the second beat of the third bar in a sixteen bar
loop you should have the two tracks blending at least till the end of that loop. and the music sounds good or interesting or rythmicallly plausible."

Oh well,..... Like I said myth busted! (it would've been cool though huh? its like some jedi knight
higher tier holy grail mixing)
or not....
Regardless I say no one on this forum tell anybody. I say lets promote the hell out of this holy
grail. In fact I am going to start telling people at parties that I know this guy who can.......

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Oh and as far as switching platter speeds. I use that to get in and out of breaks.

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JOHN B does some mixing with electro and dnb and various styles of music... have you guys checked that out?
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It is possible. Several DnB tracks run at a different bpm from the almost standard 175bpm.

One thing you can do is look for those tracks and slightly turn the pitch down in your set. You might be able to do that in about 3 tracks I think.

What you do have to realize is that some things are not possible like others. Make some adjustments to your set.
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The closest I've across is d'n'b being mixed with garage, but then again, pretty much same tempo ect. I once heard a set with Adam F doing this. Never heard a house set mixed with d'n'b.

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