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It is common knowledge that Most of the drums and all of the (sub/lower mid)bass should be kept mono in a mix, yet a lot of masterbuss layouts I found documented on the net suggest to use stereo reverb or stereo enhancing on the master buss. This would also touch the stuff above making your drums & bass go stereo with an ugly result.

How do you guys get your final mixdown to have that pro touch of stereo sound? Split drums and bass in highend-lowend and route the highend with synths, vocals & other non-lowend stuff to a mixerchannel with stereo enhancing and route it to the master? Or is there some stereo enhancement plugin that you can set to leave the lowend untouched?

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i guess you get better results when you balance the stereo width or panorama on each instrument track manually

theres a nice mixing tutorial on where to place different elements in the mix

unfortunatly its in german but there are 2 pictures Wink
http://www.producer-network.de/download/...nte-der-mix.pdf

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My German is good enough for that...

(I do understand your Avatar Devil )


Thanks

But what I'm actually looking after is how to set up this professional reverbish gloss effect on the overall mix.

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as you know from our conversation last night,
i use as little fx on the master as possible.


but i do know what sound you are after and i seem to only hear
it come from cubase or logic users.

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I am using iZotope Ozone for that. It is a mastering suite that has sonic maximizer and mastering reverb, and you can use it strictly on your drums if you like. It's one of the best mastering suites out there, so give it a try. Works wonders, and plus, what you requested Big Grin

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I use the ol izotope myself for mastering but i'd never use the reverb on it.

Especially on my whole track. I just dont think its suited to dnb at all.

If i want to create space i do it in the mix, set -up a couple of delays and a couple of reverbs as send/returns with varying timing and sizes and eq.

does the trick for me.

Also if you got a nice large reverb as a send of you have a pad panned out to the left a little and then send that to the reverb you'll get a dryish sound in the left and the reverberated sound in the right channel creating a big sense of space.

its a trick that works amazingly well in surround mixing. set up a reverb with a few seconds pre-delay as a send making the reverb come out of mostly the front speakers then send a sound thats panned hard to the back to the reverb and it makes it sound like the sounds come from miles behind you in a giant hall.

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It is common knowledge that Most of the drums and all of the (sub/lower mid)bass should be kept mono in a mix, yet a lot of masterbuss layouts I found documented on the net suggest to use stereo reverb or stereo enhancing on the master buss.


what sort of music was it?

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Not sure, various/general i suppose.

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I am using iZotope Ozone for that. It is a mastering suite that has sonic maximizer and mastering reverb, and you can use it strictly on your drums if you like. It's one of the best mastering suites out there, so give it a try. Works wonders, and plus, what you requested Big Grin


So you put reverb on everything? Even the low-end?


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but i do know what sound you are after and i seem to only hear
it come from cubase or logic users.


Isn't that the result of a plugin then? If this is because of the "quality" of the DAW then why are people engaged in FL vs Reason wars? Isn't that all pure shit then anyway?

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I personally like a very dry mix, so very little delay, reverb or stereo spread. Keeps everything tightly in the middle Big Grin

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I personally like a very dry mix, so very little delay, reverb or stereo spread. Keeps everything tightly in the middle Big Grin


For some tunes you'll lose that glued effect (everything sounds as separate layers rather than 1 tune). I like this little glossy shiny reverb around a track.

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Reverb does indeed glue things together, but so does good EQ, and in a cleaner way Tongue

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Use ultrashort reverb times (0.1->0.2) and a low wet level (<10%) and highpass it (no reverb <1KHz). Won't damage the track bigtime I think.

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i use a bit of stereo on the master , a little touch

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I know that you can ruin a track completely by putting multiband compression on the master. Whatever I try, some part of the mix will come out worse.

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I have proven enough that the result of that decision is utterly crap Big Grin
I just wanted to know what people use to make their mix more wide/stereo.

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maybe a slightly longer release on some of the dominant sounds in
the track could help? maybe?

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it's not about reverb on the master fx, but in a buss FX channel, which you can control how much or little everything gets. pads more, bass less. if you sepoerate your bass sounds you can even get it so sub get's none to get better bass.

but i suggest using a really good reverb on it, since you only will be using one. it givesa glue to the mix, makes everything sound in the same room, no matter how wacked the different sounds are.

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key is making just a few sounds wider. all about contrast, most of stuff is and should be in the middle. then the stereo wide sounds become "wider"...

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