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Hey everyone,
I started producing DNB tunes about a year ago (FL, Reason,..).
I dont use any hardware, except for my PC offcourse.

But I want to take it to a new level and do some DJ'ing too. I wondered what I should buy first?
I figured out that I'll need a Midi Keyboard, Turntables, Mixer,...??
I dont have a big budget (+-400€).

Thanks in advance,
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Try to learn some pitch mixing first using your pc and some DJ software.
Keep practicing a lot and don't use any wizards or tools supplied by the software (BMP matchers, BMP monitoring, auto mixing, ...) because they make you lazy and turntables don't have them anyway.

This way you can find out if DJing is the thing you love and see if it worth your precious money.

While practicing, save up some more money so you don't have to buy some cheap ass crap turntables or a lame mixer (e.g. Numark low end crap)
Once you can do it real well you can go out an buy hardware.

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BattleDrone gave you an excellent advice about how to learn to beatmatch etc.
You should buy turntables if you plan mixing on vinyl or mixing digitally with Serato (or similar).

I would go for digital DJ equipment, because I strongly believe in digital DJ stuff.
If you decide to go digital, some cheap mixing console should be enough for you to grab the basics. Something like Hercules mkII usb or Numark Total Control.
You won't be able to scratch, of course, but that I count into advanced skills.

If you go pro, and want to remain digital, check the options like Numark NS7, two turntables and Serato, etc.

And, most importantly, you ought to have fun DJing and love the music. I hate DJs that do it just for the money. Bigup

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While practicing, save up some more money so you don't have to buy some cheap ass crap turntables or a lame mixer (e.g. Numark low end crap)


I learnt on a pair of low end KAM direct drives and the cheapest of cheap Numark 'blue dog' mixer. Get good on crap stuff, then when you some awesome turntables you'll be laughing Smile

Numark TTX1 turntables are well worth it for when you step up, they might not be technics but they're a dam sight cheaper and still awesome decks.
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I don't think you can consider starting DJing with 400 euros. Even if you buy the absolute cheapest (and shittest) gear and you fit in 400 euros, you need to spend a few hundred of euros on records only. And trust me, it's like a habit, once you started you want more and more Smile

Instead with that money it would be smarter to invest in some production gear. Buy a MIDI keyboard, audio card, and maybe some cheap monitors.

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Why are everyone so up and about vinyl mixing and DJing?!
I have a laptop, which I use for production, too, and I have an USB console.
And thousands of mp3s.
And I am still a DJ.
Doesn't have to be that expensive, that's my point. Pleased

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[quote]Originally posted by Sundancer
And trust me, it's like a habit, once you started you want more and more Smile
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indeed. be prepared to spend hundreds, if not thousands on records. Shocked

I'm not against Mp3 Djing but still there's something about a piece of vinyl......


What program do you use Mud'Dib?
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Over here they don’t consider mp3 djing to be „real djing“. Possibly because it’s a half arsed way of doing it letting some software cope with the major works like synchronisation and blah.
I personally don’t mind too much wheather it’s done with a turntable or software (if it sounds good it sounds good), but the real art of djing is getting lost when you decide to go for the second way imo.

Software is a good way to start tho and you should really consider beginning with that before buying anything harware-ish.
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I've tried a program called MixMeister. Its pretty nice. Like a half assed version of Ableton lol. But its pretty nice, especially if you get the Mixmeister Control Mixer.
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I recommend native instrument's traktor
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[quote]Originally posted by Sundancer
And trust me, it's like a habit, once you started you want more and more Smile
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indeed. be prepared to spend hundreds, if not thousands on records. Shocked

I'm not against Mp3 Djing but still there's something about a piece of vinyl......


What program do you use Mud'Dib?

I use Virtual DJ. I can assure you all that a real enthusiast will learn to beat-match and everything else, being the 'real dj'. Virtual DJ always mixes up the BPM counts of the tunes, so I have to mix them by ear, and I am no worse than any other vinyl dj.

The thing is, instead of wasting 80% time on beat-matching, you can be wasting 20% of the time on that, and use the rest to think and modulate your mix.

PS Can't believe people, this is my 3,314th post. I really can't help myself, been seeing Pi everywhere I look. Maybe 500 times in the last 2 months. Shocked

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PS Can't believe people, this is my 3,314th post. I really can't help myself, been seeing Pi everywhere I look. Maybe 500 times in the last 2 months. Shocked


Mental...... Shocked 500 times that's a lot dude, but Im intrigued though........

on topic..... beatmatching is obviously the biggest skill a DJ has to learn, as well as knowing his records and which to mix together at what time to create great sets, so yeah whether it's vinyl or MP3 the principles of what makes a good DJ are the same.

It essentially all comes back to the age old argument of hardware vs software, analog vs digital, old vs new.......
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Thx for the advice, i really appreciate it.

I'll try Traktor, learning to use it will keep me busy for a very long time. And i'm buying a midi keyboard + cheap mixer(maybe second hand, dindnt figured that out yet).
I know my budget is really small, but im a lazy 17 year old student and its all i have atm.
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tbh i bin curious about the whole djing thing but neva got round to actuallly doing it but this thread as been quite helpfull i got traktor 2 but its not really that hands on but i appreciate what ur saying about the beat matchin and pitch stuff though gonna keep messing with it and see how well i do
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It is possible to get setup with 400 euros. Look at buying some secondhand turntables from ebay. People list them on there for collection only due to the size and weight and you could get a bargain as this severly limits the market. Technics typically go for around £300 a set and sometimes with mixer, obviously you will then need to buy some vinyl but this builds up over time. You can get a few vinyls to start with and learn to beat match. If you havn't already tried to mix I'd also give it a go first as it may not be your thing and you may not enjoy it, you may love it like the rest of us!

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i cant believe there are so many posts in this thread about producers who dont own decks no matter how good or shit the decks maybe . YOUR MAKING DRUM AND BASS. i would never have dreamed of making drum n bass if i couldnt mix , imagine you are making tracks , someone notices your tracks says sweet not bad beats wanna play at one of our nights we do for promotion and you turn round and say i've never been on a turntable before ,......... Huh ok then joker see you later or something along these lines is probably what you would hear learning to produce before you can mix seems like a very alien concept to me , maybe im off me head but i know hundreds who would agree with me ....... right rant over if you havent got turntable go on ebay like tuff said get a little technics 1210s mk2's deal second hand your looking at £400 top end or if your going down the digital route go on ebay and get some pioneer cdj400's and if you have saved up any more money since post some kind of allen and heath mixer solid build quality with penny and giles standard crossfader

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Totally agree with pusha here. I used to own turntables and a mixer years ago (early nineties, man I feel old just thinking about it!).

Anyway life got in the way and I stopped making music until about 4 years ago. While I have been able to do this with the usual kit (midi key, DAW, monitors etc.) felt that something was missing. You guessed it, Djing. I know that there is a lot of different opinions regarding vinyl, CD and Mp3 and also the the equipment used but I decided to choose something that allowed me to play with the very basics while still enjoy the craft.

I purchased a cheap Hercules controller mainly for fun and inspiration as I don't see myself ever being allowed into a club booth to spin.

My point is that it helps hone in your production skills having to listen and mix other peoples tracks. Sure you could just listen to your Mp3's walking around town but thats a passive way of analysing music, mixing tunes forces me to think about the music eg, Key, phrases, BPM, breakdowns etc etc.

I know that this is an old thread but hope this helps out others pondering the same question. Even just a simple controller like mine has unleashed new ideas.
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I actually started learning composition and production, and then turned to DJing. I have to say DJing is requirement, at least for now. But I value the creativity I put into a new song far higher than mixing songs.

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But mixing taught me one of the first major things you should get your head around 16 bar progressions . I remember when I posted a question about neuro dropping on 48 bars or 64 and u left the comment saying I've never thought about this , I think mixing before hand sets u up better to go out and make the music u want to make

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