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I'm down to 3 options. Over the wintertime I'm going to be extensively learning how to create music, messing with things, etc. The question is, which DAW should I devote all of my time into?

1. Cubase SX 3
2. FL Studio 8 XXL
3. Ableton Live 8

Of course, pro-tools would probably go to top priority if I had any access to it, but for now I don't (Until I buy some M-Audio equipment maybe next year). The one I know best so far is FL Studio. I've got a pretty good understanding of it already, I just have to learn some more from tutorials and mess with some minor stuff. But yeah. Opinions? I've heard Cubase is extremely good, and Ableton is amazing as well.

But, I plan on switching from these 3 as well. I know lots of people that rewire things and using them to their preferences, so I might end up doing that, but I still need to really extensively learn one program. Thanks in advance for any replies.
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just go with whatever you feel comfortable with man it dont matter which you choose
they are basically all the same just a different way of workin
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I've used FL for a couple years and I love it. However, I have not used either Cubase or Ableton so I cannot give you an unbiased answer.

What I will say though, is that your DAW should be something intuitive to use, that allows you to express yourself without having to stumble through the interface. Like if you have an idea, you can throw it down and hear what it sounds like. You don't want to have to sit there and be microscopically precise when you're drawing a note or have trouble drawing triplets, slicing breaks, etc.

So I recommend you find some trials (or torrents Big Grin ) of Cubase and Ableton, or any other DAW you are looking into, and try it for yourself and see if it's any good. Of course you will never pick up a DAW and have the ultimate workflow immediately, you have to learn the keyboard shortcuts and the interface. But if it looks promising, why not go for it? Hell why don't you write one tune in Cubase and another in FL? Who says you have to use just one DAW?

The reason that I like FL is that the interface is really the most intuitive one I have used. It's simple, and it was made to be simple, and that's what I like about it. The synths all fucking suck, the FX that come with it are horrible, but everything else is perfect for me, and that is why I use it. I use FL for the drag-and-drop sampling, the easy-breezy automation, the piano roll, the playlist etc. But the synths and FX I leave to other VSTs. Sometimes I ReWire Reason into it.

The point being that FL is NOT perfect, but my workflow is great when I use it and I have no technical issues like 'How do I route this instrument?' when I am trying to be creative.

That being said, you can achieve that sort of workflow with any DAW that you spend time with. I recommend you play around and find one that seems right for you.

But like they say, it's not the DAW, it's how you use it.
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What I will say though, is that your DAW should be something intuitive to use, that allows you to express yourself without having to stumble through the interface.


i quite argee m8.
try presonus studio one, real easy to get along with.

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The way I see it, ableton will actually give you more posibilities in a similar working environment. Cubase on the other hand, is "accepted by all", but many methods to do simple things make me frown however, like simply creating a send track.. I heard that was really just retarded in cubase.

So if you have to choose ableton or cubase, I'd really go for extending your posibilities and take the ableton live route Cool

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I would not recommend a DAW, purely because it is a personal choice that depends on how you like to work. All do much the same, imo. What I think you have to ask yourself is what is my currant DAW lacking. In your case FL.
If you plan to switch from which ever you chose, and I assume to pro-tools, then what you may want to do is use one that is closest to this. Otherwise the time you have devoted to DAW X might be a waste of time?

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Every DAW has its merits. Some are better for composing (FL Studio, Ableton), others are better for mixing and editing (Cubase, Pro Tools).

I would suggest you spend some time with the demo versions of each, see for yourself which suits you best. Every DAW works a bit differently and unfortunately you need to spend a LOT of time to get to know it well. This makes recommendations very biased, as most people would recommend the DAW they are most familiar with. If you know the ins and outs of one particular DAW all others can seem overly complex and unintuitive Big Grin

I've now committed myself to dump the DAW I'm comfortable with and switch to something completely different, I hope that a change of scenery will give me new insights. But it is so tempting to go back to the old one when I need to get something done quickly...

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nice idea chron!

yeah it dont matter what ya use its what ya feel happy with

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DAWs are like religions. You tend to think that the one you started with is the best one.

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DAWs are like religions. You tend to think that the one you started with is the best one.


So true, I'm guilty of that myself Big Grin But there's nothing I don't like about my FL, so why change? Big Grin

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DAWs are like religions. You tend to think that the one you started with is the best one.


Thats why I'm an athiest then Tomos, I swapped and changed all the time when I started.

Anyway, Reason is the real god Big Grin

I didn't like Cubase 3 at all, no idea what 5 is like. Live was ok, but I thought it was over rated. I know a lot of people who thought it was fantastic a few years back and have since moved on. I thought FLstudio was gash at first, but it is quite an amazing and fun program the further you delve into it.

I would choose FL, but I really like Reason, due to the fact you set things up like an analogue studio.

But in all honesty, I wouldn't choose what program to use from a poll on an internet forum, go and see them all in action in a shop.

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The one I know best so far is FL Studio.



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idd, most of the time, u prefer what u 'know'...

imo the more different flavors you've tried, the better you can decide...
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I have an extensive background in tracker based composing, nowadays represented in form of Renoise, it looks more complex but it works too. Not that I would try to push you into that direction, just to mention that I have experience with totaly different approaches to composing.

I tried Reason in the past and didn't like the way things are set up. After all you are in the digital world (Daw) so why mess around with cables and make everything look like it is rackmounted? If you had a background in analog gear the switch would be easier, but I'm guessing you don't have that so why bother?

Have tried Cubase 3 in the past (came in lite version with my soudcard), could not feel the approach at all. Also Ableton Live was free in lite-form. Same comment actually. There's a lot of nice stuff in there, but the interface is just "the horror" and I don't like the idea of having to rightclick all kinds of mysterious elements to find extra menus and options, I did check some youtube videos on composing with this daw.

I tried Cockos Reaper, it is very cheap and gets respect from a big crowd, but I find it hard to deal with and very unintuitive, a real inspiration killer.

I tried Presonus Studio One a couple of weeks ago and was not impressed, to me this looks like just another DAW that looks like Cubase or Reaper.

I prefer FL studio, been using it a long time. It alows me to be very creative, but the technical qualities need to improve (automatic latency compensation, track freezing,...) the mixdown is often a letdown for me, the sound seems hollow and has a slight short delayed echo on it at times. But then again I see others who manage to create fantastic tunes in FL (people like Tomos or Culture Boy to name a couple) and even some top producers like Spor seem to use it.

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I have an extensive background in tracker based composing, nowadays represented in form of Renoise, it looks more complex but it works too. Not that I would try to push you into that direction, just to mention that I have experience with totaly different approaches to composing.

I tried Reason in the past and didn't like the way things are set up. After all you are in the digital world (Daw) so why mess around with cables and make everything look like it is rackmounted? If you had a background in analog gear the switch would be easier, but I'm guessing you don't have that so why bother?

Have tried Cubase 3 in the past (came in lite version with my soudcard), could not feel the approach at all. Also Ableton Live was free in lite-form. Same comment actually. There's a lot of nice stuff in there, but the interface is just "the horror" and I don't like the idea of having to rightclick all kinds of mysterious elements to find extra menus and options, I did check some youtube videos on composing with this daw.

I tried Cockos Reaper, it is very cheap and gets respect from a big crowd, but I find it hard to deal with and very unintuitive, a real inspiration killer.

I tried Presonus Studio One a couple of weeks ago and was not impressed, to me this looks like just another DAW that looks like Cubase or Reaper.

I prefer FL studio, been using it a long time. It alows me to be very creative, but the technical qualities need to improve (automatic latency compensation, track freezing,...) the mixdown is often a letdown for me, the sound seems hollow and has a slight short delayed echo on it at times. But then again I see others who manage to create fantastic tunes in FL (people like Tomos or Culture Boy to name a couple) and even some top producers like Spor seem to use it.



no ableton b/d m8?

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I prefer FL studio, been using it a long time. It alows me to be very creative, but the technical qualities need to improve (automatic latency compensation, track freezing,...) the mixdown is often a letdown for me, the sound seems hollow and has a slight short delayed echo on it at times. But then again I see others who manage to create fantastic tunes in FL (people like Tomos or Culture Boy to name a couple) and even some top producers like Spor seem to use it.

I never noticed these issues with FL. Could you explain them a bit further?

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I'm dead keen on Ableton, but sometimes find it a bit hard to really just get spazzy on the drums like I used to with the old trackers.

Tried my hand back on a tracker the other day, and just couldn't do it anymore. I think Ableton has spoiled me.
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